I write as an occasional verse writer and constant poetry lover. Also one-time teacher of poetry in a writing course. Further, poetry reciter of great distinction according to my wife, though not given sufficient opportunity to display it. But what I am most concerned with is the state of poetry at present and the future it may or may not have.
And what exactly is its current state? Very sick, if you ask
me. You see, I don’t believe
in free verse, too freely practiced in indiscriminate
fashion as it nowadays is. I realize that mine may not be a majority position,
but as a former film critic and persistent drama critic, I am used to being a
minority voice.
What for me killed poetry is the reckless use of free verse,
sometimes even written out as prose. But don’t get me wrong, I freely concede
the rare but genuine ability of some to make poetry of free verse, and that in
the theater, in good hands, it may prosper. My further point is that although
many poetasters mistakenly think that anything in rhyme and meter is
automatically poetry, and still more misguided souls think that their free
verse is, as self-proclaimed, poetry. Most, though not
all, real poetry makes use of those wonderful devices, meter
and rhyme.
Let me state who some of my favorite poets are. In Britain,
Robert Graves, Louis MacNeice, Dylan Thomas, Edward Thomas, Thomas Hardy,
Rudyard Kipling, William Butler Yeats, Ernest Dowson, D. H. Lawrence, Philip
Larkin, Seamus Heaney, Harold
Monro, Hilaire Belloc (with his splendid “Tarantella” and books of verse for
bad children). Also the unjustly neglected Humbert Wolfe, John Pudney and A. S.
J. Tessimond. In America, it is
Richard Wilbur, E.E. Cummings, John Crowe Ransom, Ezra Pound, Robinson Jeffers,
Robert Frost, James Dickey, James Wright, W,D. Snodgrass, plus an amazing array
of women including Emily Dickinson, Elinor Wylie, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Sara
Teasdale, Louise Bogan and Elisabeth Bishop. Also the unjustly neglected
Kenneth Patchen.
There may be others who do not leap to my mind; may they or
their ghosts forgive me. Some of the above wrote very good free verse when it
pleased them, but most wrote formal verse as a rule. Ah, yes, rules. Whence my
preference for formal verse? It’s like tonal versus atonal music. You probably know
Frost’s famous definition of free verse as playing tennis without a net. It is
true that some types of constraint benefit poetry, namely rhyme and meter. I
could also compare formal verse versus free verse with elegant conservative
clothes versus the kind of play or gym clothes that most people nowadays wear
even in places where one didn’t use to.
Let me add that formal verse has the advantage of being
easier to memorize, and certainly more fit for public declamation such as
many Russian poets lustily go in
for. Think also of how many English poems are memorized and on occasion recited
thanks to those aide memoires, rhyme and meter. I recall how during my brief
military stint in the wartime barracks, after lights out, I was able to recite
and hold the attention with poems by James Joyce and Sara Teasdale (interesting
collocation). But, I can’t repeat it often enough, doggerel is doggerel, no
matter how much meter and rhyme it flaunts, whereas at its best, free verse can
score, as I have scored with two masterpieces.
One is Kenneth Patchen’s “Do the Dead Know What Time It Is?”
A barroom scene in which the poet fantasizes his dead mother being welcomed by
God, while a homeless girl
approaches him and wants to be taken home by him, but he himself doesn’t own a
place he could take her to. The mastery of the poem lies in the way the two
story lines interplay to form something bigger than the sum of the two
individually touching parts.
The other is Tennessee Williams’s “Life Story,” about two
gay guys on a one-night stand in a hotel, each obviously craving solace in sex,
but each getting mostly a self-indulgent monologue from the other telling his
boring life story, about which the hearer couldn’t care less. It is both
grotesque and pathetic, and it’s all there, down to the wheezing elevator just
outside.
But two poems
don’t make a spring, not even if I throw in a third, James Dickey’s “Falling,”
based on a true event, a stewardess falling out of an airplane. Let me however
come now to my real subject: Who Killed Poetry?
It all begins with the ‘’good gray poet” Walt Whitman,
somewhat fewer than at most twenty shades of gray. He more or less invented
free verse, with French poets called vers-libristes, such as Gustave Kahn and
Francis Viele-Griffin, emulating
him even before Americans like Vachel Lindsay and Carl Sandburg climbed on the
bandwagon. Sometimes Walt does hit it, though, notably with a couple of
anthology pieces , “O Captain! My Captain!’” and “When Lilacs Last in the
Dooryard Bloom’d,” but there are not that many lilacs among all those endless
wilted leaves of grass. Yet it was enough for his form—or formlessness—to
engender countless stillborn—or boisterous—progeny still with us. Just open
“Leaves of Grass” at random and read a few pieces, and see where it gets you.
And now here comes the major modern poetry killer, John
Ashbery, hailed, worshiped and emulated the world over. I knew him, reader,
back at Harvard, if only slightly. The closest I came was years later, when I
ran into a common friend of ours who was off to visit John in the hospital and
persuaded me to tag along. I forget what Ashbery was ailing from that had
bedded him, as well as what may have been said in that threesome.
More perpendicularly, he proved amiable but distant the rare
times we may have crossed paths, as amiable, I imagine, as when he smilingly
murdered poetry. This September 4, it was his turn to check out, and the
Times obituary began on the front page and continued inside, with a full page
and pictures on both. The headline read “Pulitzer-Winning Poetic Voice Often
Echoed , Never Matched,” and the glowing text by David Orr and Dinitia Smith
quoted some of his poetry as follows:
All things seem mention of themselves
And the names which stem from them branch out to other
referents.
Hugely spring exists again. The weigela does its dusty thing
In fire-hammered air. And garbage cans are heaved against
The railing as the tulips yawn and crack open and fall
apart.
And today is Monday. Today’s lunch is: Spanish omelet,
lettuce and tomato salad,
Jell-O, milk and cookies. Tomorrow’s: sloppy joe on bun,
Scalloped corn, stewed tomatoes, rice pudding and milk.
The names we stole don’t remove us:
We have moved on a little ahead of them
And now it is time to wait again.
Which is worse: the menu or the poetry? No wonder Ashbery
has told us he would be writing a poem when getting a phone call for some
gossip, whose content he would blithely insert into the poem. So what do we
have here?
Of course all things seem mention of themselves, what else
can they seem? But their names branch out to other things. How do they branch
out and what are these other referents? So spring is hugely here, but is it so in
space or in time?? And why the dust on the weigela, a deciduous shrub, and just
what is its thing? Holding up the dust? And what is fire-hammered air? Perhaps
hot air, of which this poem is full? And who heaves the garbage cans against
what railing, and why? Is it the railing around the tulips? And why are they
already shedding just when the weigela is doing its thing? Have they been
whacked by the heavy garbage that perhaps was partly heaved over the railing?
And what is the significance of Monday and Monday’s
meal? Hardly digested, must we
already also get the Tuesday menu? Not very appetizing. What names have we
(we?) stolen and why? Stolen from whom?
And how could any names, stolen or not, remove us? Then how could we have managed to move
ahead, past them, even a little?
And how long will we have to wait for those slowpokes to catch up? Or for whom
the hell else?
So this, you see, is great poetry. And what do reviewers
say? In the Times Book Review, Steven Koch calls Ashbery’s work “a hushed,
simultaneously incomprehensible and intelligent whisper with a weird pulsating
rhythm that fluctuates like a wave between peaks of sharp clarity and watery droughts of obscurity and languor.” Try to visualize, never mind comprehend,
that. How is the incomprehensible intelligent, and how is a watery drink
(drought) made up of obscurity and
languor, two irreconcilables and neither of them potable. The reviewer as
disciple and imitator?
Gibberish, I say. And on goes the obituary: “It is often
easier to say what an Ashbery poem feels like than what it is about," i.e., it
feels terrific but I have no idea what it means. “And Mr. Ashbery relishes that uncertainty,” i.e., leading
us by the nose. A British poet and reviewer, James Fenton, speaks of times when
“I actually thought I was going to
burst into tears of boredom [does boredom produce bursting tears?]” and, while
respecting the talent, “not the resort to sad shadows,” so shadows have
feelings, too. These reviewers sure sound influenced by the reviewee.
Another poet, Louis Simpson, was not amused “to see a poet sneering [apropo their concern with the Vietnam War] at the
conscience of others,” to which Ashbery replied that he didn’t. But obscurity risks
painful misunderstanding. He said he was “ always trying to get back to this
[which?] mystical kingdom.” But don’t expect much lucidity from a poet on whom
the atonal compositions of John Cage “had a lasting influence.” Also one
according to whom “the ocean makes grasses, and in doing so refurbishes a
lighthouse.” What some oceans will do!
Two days later, on September 6, the Times published an Op-Ed
tribute to Ashbery by Rae Armantrout, a poet and professor. Ashbery’s poems,
she writes , “are like involved daydreams from which, as with real dreams,
there is no obvious exit.” Awakening, I would say, is a pretty obvious exit
from both dreams and daydreams.
“Ashbery is the one poet who can somehow be simultaneously elegiac and
playful, even goofy. . . . If you could find the impossible space where Franz
Kafka overlapped with the Pop artist Roy Lichtenstein, John would be sitting
there happily grinning like the Cheshire cat.” Aren’t these words something that could
come directly from an Ashbery poem? There “the action is always in transit,
always hovering somewhere between the last line and the next in a sort of
quantum superposition.”
Well, isn’t that space between lines exactly where John
could sit and grin? A quantum superposition, to put it a bit more obscurely.
And Rae quotes something that she avers could be a fitting epitaph.
How they found you, after a dream, in your thimble hat,
Studious as a butterfly in a parking lot.
The road home was nicer then.
Dispersing each of of the Troubadours had something to say about how charity
Had run its course and won, leaving you the ex-president
Of the event . . .
To quote Professor Armantrout [what a Wagnerian moniker!]: as also for Whitman, “nothing was too incongruous” for John. I could suggest something: one of his poems. Or what poetry has brcome, nonsense being as good as death,
In the US, it was The Beatniks in the 1950s( Ginsberg, Corso,Ferlinghetti, et al ). From there, the Black racists( James Baldwin, Leroi Jones, Maya Angelou,et al ), the Hippies, all Leftist Radical, all anti-Intellectual, all logorrhea and verbal diarrhea,and other sophistry,all mirages of substance, when the endgame was utmost nastiness and destruction - and succeeded they have.
ReplyDeleteThis is unsparingly well-said.
DeleteI agree and I invite you to read my poem about
The great "Imamu" Amiri Baraka:
https://connecthook.wordpress.com/mine/various/lines-for-imamu/
I loved this poem, Drew. Great job.
Delete@Unknown, 'Howl' is a great poem. Dang it!
DeletePeyote solidities of halls, backyard green tree cemetery dawns, wine drunkenness over the rooftops, storefront boroughs of teahead joyride neon blinking traffic light, sun and moon and tree vibrations in the roaring winter dusks of Brooklyn, ashcan rantings and kind king light of mind,who chained themselves to subways for the endless ride from Battery to holy Bronx on benzedrine until the noise of wheels and children brought them down shuddering mouth-wracked and battered bleak of brain all drained of brilliance in the drear light of Zoo, [etc.}
James Baldwin, taken almost at random: "Anyone who has ever struggled with poverty knows how extremely expensive it is to be poor."
DeleteImagine a fresh expression on one of history's most profound and intractable plights. One does not dismiss such a writer with snark. His was a powerful mind. And his stylus was sharply brilliant.
And notice the capital-lettered "Leftist Radical" remark. Such dripping contempt. This is second-rate Chicago School dismissal -- and by the way where are the Chicago guys now? The only one who matters today is Bellow, and his politicals and even critical opinions were secondary, unimportant even to himself most likely.
You disparage free verse but E.E.Cummings is one of your favorites???
ReplyDeleteAre you ignorant or just mad?
As to the subject, you should look at Ashbery's poetry as a kind of Rorschach test.
ReplyDeleteMy comments above made with tongue firmly in cheek. However, I will say that to call an Irishman British is fairly unforgivable.
DeleteWhitman was a genius, that is, one who some people like Simon just don’t get and never ever will. Just like some people don’t get and never ever will James Joyce. But it is not fair to blame Walt for a hack like Ashbery. The anthology pieces Simon mentioned are among Whitman’s worst poems. Try CROSSING BROOKLYN FERRY if you want one of his best.
ReplyDeleteThoreau with all that
ReplyDeleteThe verse of Richard Brautigan
Was fun, and so was his prose,
A good compromise for those
Who prefer the other or one.
To get higher we held our breath,
We felt we were on the brink
Of something, but turned to drink,
And Brautigan sipped to death.
It was fun while it lasted but
you have to grow up eventually
and get a job and be responsible
and start thinking of other people
and quit being such a dick
Richard Brautigan popped into my head as a free verse poet I enjoyed. I read some online. Still sounds good. Don Marquis did not ring a bell. I remembered I have an anthology by Gene Shalit called "Laughing Matters." Turns out Don Marquis is included. I see the similarity.
DeleteHere's one by archy/Don Marquis pulled from the website devoted to D.M.'s work:
DeleteTHE LESSON OF THE MOTH
By Don Marquis
From “archy and mehitabel,” 1927
i was talking to a moth
the other evening
he was trying to break into
an electric light bulb
and fry himself on the wires
why do you fellows
pull this stunt i asked him
because it is the conventional
thing for moths or why
if that had been an uncovered
candle instead of an electric
light bulb you would
now be a small unsightly cinder
have you no sense
plenty of it he answered
but at times we get tired
of using it
we get bored with the routine
and crave beauty
and excitement
fire is beautiful
and we know that if we get
too close it will kill us
but what does that matter
it is better to be happy
for a moment
and be burned up with beauty
than to live a long time
and be bored all the while
so we wad all our life up
into one little roll
and then we shoot the roll
that is what life is for
it is better to be a part of beauty
for one instant and then cease to
exist than to exist forever
and never be a part of beauty
our attitude toward life
is come easy go easy
we are like human beings
used to be before they became
too civilized to enjoy themselves
and before i could argue him
out of his philosophy
he went and immolated himself
on a patent cigar lighter
i do not agree with him
myself i would rather have
half the happiness and twice
the longevity
but at the same time i wish
there was something i wanted
as badly as he wanted to fry himself
archy
http://donmarquis.com/
RE: Who Killed Poetry?
ReplyDeleteOctosyllabic rhyme was killed.
Her epitaph I chisel here…
so face the book and feed your twit;
while I the rhythmic record clear.
The sad remains of Lyric Wit
are here interred—no more to rise
(lest poets’ brains be forced to think
and plummet from post-modern skies).
You phonies scrolling Twitter-blink
and scribblers with advanced degrees
look up, and hearken to these words
while feigning your conceited ease.
The academic gallows-birds
reviewing chap-books, high on fluff
make darker the sepulchral gloom—
as if it wasn’t dark enough.
The verdict’s in and all assume,
as measured meaning leaves the court,
he meant to kill her (Poetry).
Life sentences are written short.
The killer, grinning artlessly
in blank-verse handcuffs, void of rhyme,
composes abstract lines: the dull
memoirs of his poetic crime.
The prosecution’s notes are full
the case is made, the jury hears
his guilt made evident, at least.
The victim’s mother melts in tears
He murdered her himself, the beast.
then dumped her: a deflowered rose.
His incoherent imagery
dismembered her like slaughtered prose.
She met her end lamentably;
He did her in and cut her down
thus shortening her metered day.
(murderous, evil, free-verse clown!)
Behold her grave—where grass turns hay
as poets’ bones subside to dust;
her soul with God to reconvene
(or wander in bemused disgust).
Her grave-site paints a pastoral scene,
poetic fodder: life from death…
and calves shall fatten near her tomb.
Oh coward reader: take a breath !
(Come visit: http://tinyurl.com/yatxq4hp )
Simon’s problem with free verse is much like his problem with abstract painting. But free verse did not eliminate other types of verse any more than abstract painting eliminated other types of painting. And are the definitions even clear? Some scholars view DOVER BEACH - a poem all including Simon consider seminal - as the first free-verse poem in the English language. Others see it otherwise. Anyway for every bad free-verse poem Simon names, I can name a good one. Such as:
ReplyDeleteThe Layers
by Stanley Kunitz
I have walked through many lives,
some of them my own,
and I am not who I was,
though some principle of being
abides, from which I struggle
not to stray.
When I look behind,
as I am compelled to look
before I can gather strength
to proceed on my journey,
I see the milestones dwindling
toward the horizon
and the slow fires trailing
from the abandoned camp-sites,
over which scavenger angels
wheel on heavy wings.
Oh, I have made myself a tribe
out of my true affections,
and my tribe is scattered!
How shall the heart be reconciled
to its feast of losses?
In a rising wind
the manic dust of my friends,
those who fell along the way,
bitterly stings my face.
Yet I turn, I turn,
exulting somewhat,
with my will intact to go
wherever I need to go,
and every stone on the road
precious to me.
In my darkest night,
when the moon was covered
and I roamed through wreckage,
a nimbus-clouded voice
directed me:
"Live in the layers,
not on the litter."
Though I lack the art
to decipher it,
no doubt the next chapter
in my book of transformations
is already written.
I am not done with my changes.
I can't believe Simon forgot Auden.
ReplyDeleteOne Evening
As I walked out one evening,
Walking down Bristol Street,
The crowds upon the pavement
Were fields of harvest wheat.
And down by the brimming river
I heard a lover sing
Under an arch of the railway:
‘Love has no ending.
‘I’ll love you, dear, I’ll love you
Till China and Africa meet,
And the river jumps over the mountain
And the salmon sing in the street,
‘I’ll love you till the ocean
Is folded and hung up to dry
And the seven stars go squawking
Like geese about the sky.
‘The years shall run like rabbits,
For in my arms I hold
The Flower of the Ages,
And the first love of the world.'
But all the clocks in the city
Began to whirr and chime:
‘O let not Time deceive you,
You cannot conquer Time.
‘In the burrows of the Nightmare
Where Justice naked is,
Time watches from the shadow
And coughs when you would kiss.
‘In headaches and in worry
Vaguely life leaks away,
And Time will have his fancy
To-morrow or to-day.
‘Into many a green valley
Drifts the appalling snow;
Time breaks the threaded dances
And the diver’s brilliant bow.
‘O plunge your hands in water,
Plunge them in up to the wrist;
Stare, stare in the basin
And wonder what you’ve missed.
‘The glacier knocks in the cupboard,
The desert sighs in the bed,
And the crack in the tea-cup opens
A lane to the land of the dead.
‘Where the beggars raffle the banknotes
And the Giant is enchanting to Jack,
And the Lily-white Boy is a Roarer,
And Jill goes down on her back.
‘O look, look in the mirror,
O look in your distress:
Life remains a blessing
Although you cannot bless.
‘O stand, stand at the window
As the tears scald and start;
You shall love your crooked neighbour
With your crooked heart.'
It was late, late in the evening,
The lovers they were gone;
The clocks had ceased their chiming,
And the deep river ran on.
This is one of my favorite poems !
DeleteMine too. Auden is a heck of a poet. Notice his meter and rhyme are right on. He could do this entire poem in free verse, but dang gone it, ain't it better the way it is? Allow me to answer that for you >>> Yes.
DeleteForgot Auden how? This is not free verse at all in the way that Simon meant it.
DeleteSimon listed his favorite poets. I'm 95% sure he just forgot Auden. The problem may be Simon listed his favorite American poets, and then his favorite British poets. Auden is a little bit of both. Maybe he was unsure which side of the pond to plant the great man.
DeleteWystan's ghost will surely forgive him.
To Simon, free verse is like to poetry what experimental film makers (David Lynch, etc) are to movies. God forbid if every film isn't exactly like 'Bicycle Thieves'.
ReplyDeleteFree verse seems like it would be easier to write, however. Just about any schmuck can write free verse. Meter and rhyme take some thinking. You can't just rhyme "ball" and "fall" and get yourself a hunk of Shakespeare down on paper. You might have to think for a couple of hours to get that EXACT right word.
Forced rhyme is worse than free verse, however. Yes, bad conventional poetry is worse than bad free verse.
One of my favorites is Anne Sexton.
Wanting to Die
Since you ask, most days I cannot remember.
I walk in my clothing, unmarked by that voyage.
Then the almost unnameable lust returns.
Even then I have nothing against life.
I know well the grass blades you mention,
the furniture you have placed under the sun.
But suicides have a special language.
Like carpenters they want to know which tools.
They never ask why build.
Twice I have so simply declared myself,
have possessed the enemy, eaten the enemy,
have taken on his craft, his magic.
In this way, heavy and thoughtful,
warmer than oil or water,
I have rested, drooling at the mouth-hole.
I did not think of my body at needle point.
Even the cornea and the leftover urine were gone.
Suicides have already betrayed the body.
Still-born, they don’t always die,
but dazzled, they can’t forget a drug so sweet
that even children would look on and smile.
To thrust all that life under your tongue!--
that, all by itself, becomes a passion.
Death’s a sad Bone; bruised, you’d say,
and yet she waits for me, year after year,
to so delicately undo an old wound,
to empty my breath from its bad prison.
Balanced there, suicides sometimes meet,
raging at the fruit, a pumped-up moon,
leaving the bread they mistook for a kiss,
leaving the page of the book carelessly open,
something unsaid, the phone off the hook
and the love, whatever it was, an infection.
ReplyDelete"To a Progressive Poet"
Your poems read as staggered prose;
the rhythm of the words escapes you.
One assumes, un-mused, you chose
a free-verse prison to run into.
You are modern. And it shows
in lack of structure, meter, beat.
Your emperor, set free of clothes
meanders on unsteady feet
exposed as naked, fending blows
from anarch subjects bored to tears
by cryptic, existential woes
and dreary imagery. One hears
within the verbiage you compose
a load of godless free-form tripe.
The lyrical ebb achieves new lows;
the scent is somewhat over-ripe…
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ReplyDeleteWhat wonders what JS removed. He is an honorable man, fully ready to take on all comers like Richard III on the ramparts (he was on the ramparts, wasn't he? Or was that MacBeth?). So it must have been something beneath contempt.
DeleteThe comment was deleted by the "author". That would be Gary. Sorry for butting in here. None my bid-ness, really.
DeleteU.K., are you a Camille Paglia fan? Here's her take on Hugh Hefner and his works:
Deletehttp://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-hugh-hefners-legacy-trumps-masculinity-feminisms-sex-phobia-1044769
Hi, Nooch. I read it. I don't know much about her. I like the photos in Playboy, but I don't really read it. I'm also not up on social mores involving sex and modern society. She seems to know a lot. The whole Hefner in pajamas thing always seemed a little ridiculous to me. I'd like to go to the mansion for a party just to check it out. Maybe I'd get laid.
DeleteThanks, U.K. I e-mailed Paglia at the U. of the Arts in Philly, where she works, and expressed interest in being her personal assistant, but she said she's never had a P.A. and never will. She's pretty much the only person I'd love to work for as a P.A. How about you, is there any person you'd love to work for as a P.A.?
DeleteNooch, I'd have to go with a film director. Woody, Tarantino, Polanski. In the past it would have been Welles or Hitchcock.
DeleteAs a P.A. for living directors, I'd choose to work for Bertolucci or Lina Wertmuller (better brush up on my Italian!). In the past, it would have been Ken Russell or Bryan Forbes or Peter Yates.
DeleteCoppola? Lucas? Spielberg?
DeleteI've heard Lucas is a hard guy to work for, and I'd bet Spielberg is the same. Coppola would be my choice of the three.
DeleteFran or Sophia? Sofia may be the better director. These days at least.
DeleteAnd Russell would have been great to work for. Anyone who directed Ann Margret's "beans scene" from Tommy is okay by me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChGxwRq3YcI
Yes, Francis or Sofia, exactly! I think I'd rather work for the old man, it would be a freaking trip just to be in his presence, just as it would be with Mel Brooks. Hey, P.A. for Mel Brooks, that's the gig I want!
DeleteThat Ann-Margret scene from 'Tommy' is legendary! (BTW, the Brits are more inclined than Yanks toward "sploshing" as an element in the S&M experience.) Here's a good popular press piece on Ann-Margret's ordeals during that scene:
http://ew.com/article/2011/11/28/ken-russell-tommy-ann-margret/
U.K., speaking of Sofia, are you interested in her remake of 'The Beguiled'? I just viddied the 1971 original, and don't think it could be bettered.
DeleteI am. I've seen the first, but it's been awhile.I have to believe Eastwood would be hard to beat. Colin Farrell plays the role in the new one? I don't know. I loved him in that last one from the Greek guy. Name of Lothimos. Not Arbogast. Forgot the name of it. I'll get back to you.
DeleteSorry, dude's name is Yorgos Lanthimos. Fantastic director. Did some good films with Farrell. The Lobster and The Killing of a Sacred Deer. Check him out.
DeleteI'll check those out. Last night I viddied 'Shivers' (1975), a/k/a 'They Came from Within', David Cronenberg's first feature-length film. It's a pretty good Joe Bob Briggs Drive-In type movie, and it's free to viddy if you have Amazon Prime:
Deletehttps://www.amazon.com/Shivers-Paul-Hampton/dp/B00O8NPCQW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508669315&sr=8-1&keywords=shivers+cronenberg
U.K., have you ever looked at the 1970 book 'The Film Director as Superstar' by Joseph Gelmis? It's a wonderful collection of interviews with a varied lot of filmmakers, to include Kubrick (discussing his plans to make a film on Napoleon), Polanski, Coppola, De Palma, Richard Lester, John Cassavetes, Arthur Penn, Norman Mailer, Andy Warhol, Robert Downey Sr., Jim McBride, Roger Corman et al.
Deletehttps://www.amazon.com/Film-Director-As-Superstar/dp/0385022298/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1508687122&sr=1-1&keywords=the+film+director+as+superstar
Hold on, Gary. You are largely right, but only up to a point. Of course Yeats should be called an Irish poet, but Shaw was Irish, too. And he was clearly British in some respects. Yeats perhaps less so. But a glance at wiki shows that until 1922 Ireland was part of the UK. Is this correct? And if so, can not someone be forgiven when speaking of Britain, especially as the "British Isles" can be said to include the Hibernian people and place.
ReplyDeleteBut I am half-saying and half-asking. I'm a Yank and don't want to get punched in the nose.
I did, indeed, delete my comment above, which was just an off the cuff poem in defense of John Ashbery. Then I decided to let the man rest in peace.
ReplyDeleteTechnically correct, however this was due to military subjugation which is WHY there was a war that resulted in Irish independence in 1922.
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to call the Irish British then, in this context, Indians, Pakistanis and Americans are "British" too (as are Australians, Kenyans and Palestinians.
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ReplyDeleteNooch, the reply button isn't working for me today.
ReplyDeleteLove Shivers. I have it in Uncle Kirky's Top 100 films of all time (#98). In fact, I have four Cronenberg films in my Top 100. The Brood (#100), History of Violence (#72), and Maps to the Stars (#49). He has three other films in UK's "honorable Mentions" as well. I consider him a top twenty director of all time.
And, I have the book you're talking about. Excellent.
I love 'The Brood', after 'Dead Ringers' it's my fave Cronenberg of what I've so far seen. Samantha Eggar said she got the idea of licking the infant brood-child's head from her girlhood days on the farm, seeing cows do it to newborn calves.
DeleteIf Shaw was an Irishman, he was a very bad one. He left Dublin in 1876 and lived the rest of his life elsewhere, and remained a British subject until his death in 1950. Can you point to anything particularly "Irish" in his plays?
ReplyDeleteSimply pointing to an example, here or there, where "free Verse" works doesn't disprove John Simon's point. Free verse, like Abstract painting, or atonal music, is an artistic dead end. That some Genius - now and then -has made it work, doesn't obviate the main point. Artistic Genius can make anything work, one time.
ReplyDeleteOne last comment. Poetry, among average educated college educated Americans is dead. I don't know anyone who cares, and not 1 person in a 100 can tell you who the Nobel Prize winners in poetry were in the last 50 years. Probably the "beat poets" like Ginsberg or maybe Thomas Dylan were the last ones anyone in the General public cared about.
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